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#1 Jussi Ekholm

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Posted 08 November 2018 - 12:12 PM

Just saw this rare thing to pop up at Iida Koendo. Can't even dare to think about the price tag. :rotfl:

 

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#2 Rayhan

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Posted 08 November 2018 - 12:15 PM

Yeah we're touching the 2 bedroom apartment zone here

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Posted 08 November 2018 - 02:24 PM

I actually don't really know the market price for a ubu Kiyomaro daito ? $200-300k USD or something similarly ridiculous?

So this would probably be around half a million? Pfft chump change ;)
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#4 Pete Klein

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Posted 08 November 2018 - 04:42 PM

The only guy who might know is Darcy.  Juyo papered true dai sho, not married.  LOL!  More than I'll ever have.


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#5 paulb

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Posted 08 November 2018 - 05:12 PM

In 1993 a Kiyomaru daito sold for more than $400k in Sotherby's London. At the time I think it was a record price paid for a Japanese sword at auction outside of Japan. A wakazashi by the same smith and in the same sale made approx $75k. The buyer of the long sword was Tsuruta san of Aoi-Art.

While many would argue that prices have dropped since the time of this sale I dont think that is the case for work of the top smiths and few are more popular or sought after than Kiyomaro so I think this pair would be well above the $500k mark.


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#6 Rayhan

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Posted 08 November 2018 - 06:17 PM

I believe we are looking at around the 650k USD mark here minimum

But as i said, small home in a big city
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Posted 08 November 2018 - 08:37 PM

At those levels there are better and historically more important swords. You are in the area of Masamune tanto. Or one of the best Fukuoka Ichimonji - Yoshifusa (incidentally there is a zaimei one being sold by Shingendo at 42m yen with daimyo provenance). There is a lot of hype around that name but people should look deeper.
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#8 Rayhan

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Posted 08 November 2018 - 08:49 PM

There is no denying his genius in sword making. But i also struggle to understand the market price for kiyomaro
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Posted 08 November 2018 - 08:52 PM

Rayhan- I also do not deny that when he made good swords, those were very good or excellent. But overall he is not better than his Koto “inspirations”.
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Posted 09 November 2018 - 07:47 AM

Agreed completely Michael, a true Shizu over Kiyomaro any day
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Posted 09 November 2018 - 05:50 PM

Agreed completely Michael, a true Shizu over Kiyomaro any day


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#12 Peter Bleed

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Posted 09 November 2018 - 06:29 PM

Sure, this is interesting, and I'm glad to know about the opportunity. Thanks Jussi. But I'm going to stay with my established collecting strategy. One of these will show up at a local gun show. I'm sure. Or maybe an estate sale.

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Posted 09 November 2018 - 06:32 PM

Signed Minamoto Masayuki. Will fetch less than a Kiyomaro mei :)
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