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#1 ChrisW

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Posted 11 October 2018 - 05:14 AM

Hey all,

 

I have a couple of tsuba I thought I would show and get opinions on. I saw these and have not too much knowledge of them, though I know they're probably Edo-period (?) as I read that ornamental fittings came more into vogue around that time. I could and (probably be) totally off base with these. Either way, I didn't pay too much for them.

 

Let me know what you think and any information you might be able to glean from the pictures.

 

The first tsuba is 5.45cm x 4.1cm, Thickness: 0.5cm, Inside hole is 2.4cm x 0.75cm(max width) x 0.2cm(min width)

 

The second tsuba is 6cm x 4.7cm, thickness: 0.5cm, Inside hole is 2.4cm x 0.7cm (max width) x 0.2cm (min width)

 

Thanks for any education guys!

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#2 Fuuten

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Posted 11 October 2018 - 06:43 AM

They seem to be cloisonné not lacquer. Sorry to be short, have to run for work.


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#3 TETSUGENDO

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Posted 11 October 2018 - 05:39 PM

Doro shippo.

 

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#4 ChrisW

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Posted 12 October 2018 - 02:19 AM

Ah, cloisonne, I've heard that word. Thanks for that! Also I have not heard of the term 'doro shippo' but I googled it and now I understand. Thanks! Can you all perhaps identify a school/age it belongs to?


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Posted 12 October 2018 - 05:16 AM

Also, I apologize for the low-res pictures. I don't really have anything more than my phone to capture images with.


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#6 Ford Hallam

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Posted 12 October 2018 - 11:45 AM

Doro-shippo, 'mud enamel'. This is a term used to describe earlier Japanese enamels that featured less bright and clear, ie; muddy colours, generally those enamels produced before the late 19th century when German chemists introduced finer enamel production technologies.


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#7 TETSUGENDO

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Posted 12 October 2018 - 02:40 PM

There were two currents of cloisonne art during the Meiji period: one traditional since the Edo period which includes doro-shippo, and another which started anew under the direction of western technicians (e.g.,Gottfried Wagener).  The two styles have run concurrently through Meiji, Taisho, Showa, were revived during the post war era and continue to be produced.  The tsuba presented here are in the doro-shippo style, anyone seeing clear bright color needs to calibrate their monitor.

 

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Posted 12 October 2018 - 02:54 PM

for comparison (Juyo Hirata):

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#9 TETSUGENDO

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Posted 12 October 2018 - 03:23 PM

20181012_091131.jpg -another, HIRATA from MMA


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#10 ROKUJURO

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Posted 12 October 2018 - 04:22 PM

Mixed Martial Arts has them also? :o


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#11 TETSUGENDO

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Posted 12 October 2018 - 06:09 PM

Funny Jean!  Although the surname Hirata is a famous one with samurai associations, and even some  links with the martial arts,  in this instance MMA stands for- Metropolitan Museum of Art, NY, USA.  :)

 

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Posted 12 October 2018 - 08:55 PM

I love cloisonne!
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Posted 12 October 2018 - 10:24 PM

So would anyone know of an expert that I could be pointed towards that might be able to pin an age or school to them? Thanks for all the great information guys, its appreciated!


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Posted 12 October 2018 - 10:31 PM

So would anyone know of an expert that I could be pointed towards that might be able to pin an age or school to them? Thanks for all the great information guys, its appreciated!


There are a few experts on this website so just hang in there and one of them will chime in sooner or later. I think a couple of them already have haha
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#15 ChrisW

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Posted 12 October 2018 - 10:34 PM

If a moderator would like to, they can change the title to "Doro-Shippo Tsuba" for clarity's sake. Thanks!


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Posted 13 October 2018 - 08:13 AM

I'd also love to see any that you guys possess so I can see a variety of styles and themes for these! Also, what style of nihonto were they generally used in? One of my appears to be tanto sized, the other wakizashi.


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