Our First Repro Type 32

[lonely panet]

heads up guys,

 

they finally started reproducing the type 32 sword

its semi horrible but in other ways ok.

 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/WWII-Japanese-TYPE-32-NAGOYA-RIKUGUN-ZOHEISHO-ARSENAL-CALVALRY-SWORD-KATANA/223065617095?hash=item33efbf32c7%3Ag%3AxAEAAOSwAzZbTp6W&_sacat=13956&_nkw=Japanese+swords&_from=R40&rt=nc&_trksid=p2499334.m570.l1313.TR12.TRC3.A0.H0.Xjapanese+swords.TRS0.TSS1

[IJASWORDS]

Hi Hamfish, I would be surprised if the seller milkey1126 would sell a reproduction. From experience he knows his stuff. I could be mistaken, but would be concerned if it slipped past him. 

[Brian]

Explain why repro?
To me just looks horribly overcleaned.

[Stephen]

Finely ?  they have had reproductions of 32s for well over 20+ years, they came across my table at the gun show i use to attend. My guess those have enough patina they can pass nowadays. I really cant tell from the photos, the only way i used to be able to tell was in hand, org 32s are very well machined. 

[vajo]

I miss the other stamps.

[raaay]

Hi ,

 

 As Stephen says they have been around for along time,  I have seen quite a few over the years.

[paul griff]

Hello,

Brian,the bo-hi isn't straight...very badly cut and the kissaki is the wrong shape for a type 32...The throat of the saya is also wrong...should show a brass insert and the locating screw is off-centre...Lots of other things but I'll leave someone else chip in...Good learning example though....

Regards,

Paul..

[jason y]

Wow...

Thanks guys.

Really did not know about it.

I just pull it out of eBay.

[Shamsy]

Please post photos. With the listing removed no one else can see to offer an opinion. I can't count the number of times I see 95s incorrectly labelled as fakes because people don't recognise valid variants.

 

Not making assertions it's real of course, but if nothing else seek more opinions and a reasonable debate. Plus it will be educational to have a reference here. I know I'd like to see what a repro or fake 32 looks like. Like Hamish, I don't recall seeing one before.

[jason y]

You can still look at it even listing ended.

[Shamsy]

I keep getting this message:

We found something similar

The listing you’re looking for is no longer available. Check out this similar item we found for you.

[lonely panet]

from memary to those whom still not sure if its fake

 

blade and bohi are completely wrong  and out of shape

 

the arsonal stamp is incoreclty placed on the inside of the guard and incorrect for a troopers sword

 

locking mech is mis-shaped

 

the statement of it being overcleaned (note the near mint condition of the serial number stamping on the blade, but the almost 100% non existent lines or machinery marks on the blade WFT. evan the numbers on the drag were still overly crisp as if they have not been exposed to approx. 40 years of ware.

 

the none wooden core on the handle

 

the poorly finished saya throat

 

the poor hanger on the saya

 

the poorly finished and shaped drag on the saya

 

I could keep going but I wont.

 

remember these swords are mass produced uniformly and there are only 2 variations any they were only the length of the blade that changed 

[Stephen]

Go to link, click on highlight in blue "listing" it takes you to org listing.

 

OR

 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/-/223065617095?nordt=true&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l10137

[Shamsy]

Thanks Stephen, got a look at the sword. Very interesting, because I have never seen or heard that there were repro 32s around. I remember everyone thinking the Chinese military swords were repro, but that's it. It must be an American phenomenon, as I've never seen on in Australia. It certainly looks typical of the swords the Chinese reproduce. Short bohi and low hanging ashi.

 

The assertion there are only two variations of 32 is wrong. There are at least 8. But there are only two patterns I'm aware of, so presuming that's a terminology thing.

 

I'm back to considering collecting 32 again, since I'm running out of 95s.

[lonely panet]

8 variations????

 

im open to your ideas but fell the strong urge to laugh very hard as I have spent a lot of time collecting this model. but we all learn something new.

 

considering these always remained the property of the IJA, and only issued I hope your not counting army refurbs or metal finishes like oxide, vs blueing salts vs "white" 

 

wow me, but i think this may be a confussion from my mis-communication on variations rather then models. 

[Shamsy]

Of course I count the many variations of the sword, whether through arsenal refurbishment or more unique examples.

 

Variation:

 

a change or slight difference in condition, amount, or level, typically within certain limits.

 

So yes, a blued example, a white example, a black example, early cavalry, late cavalry, early otsu, late otsu, brass seppa, stamp variations, reissue examples, even font changes are a variant.

 

You need to be aware of and appreciate these subtle differences to be a collector. Or why even bother? Why buy more than 1 type 98 if you can't appreciate the fact that variations make our hobby interesting. At least from the militaria side. I'm hardly alone in this thought pattern. It's relatively common to see individuals specialise in minute detail.

 

Try telling Mr Labar he waisted his time since there are only 4 variations in type 30 bayonets.

 

My point is simply that there are a lot of small differences, or variations, in a lot of standardised equipment. For me at least, hunting these down and getting an example of each is that makes this hobby worthwhile.

[lonely panet]

i think your trying to invent variations.

 

early and late cavarly ?? i hope your not tying to state that the omission of the finger loop as a variation. considering all the dies were never changed ever, and that the punched hole was simply filled and finished to appear uniform 

 

brass seppa's were a result of arsenal referbs, and not a separate variant,  and having new numbers struck on mis-matched scabbards ??? really not a variation but a correction. and different font numbers/stampings WFT they were all hand stamped you cant really being trying to say that every individual stamp placement would create a  variation. wow 130,000 variations   

 

I don't get into internet arguments, but I will say I think your pushing your opinion as fact rather then just opinion. type 32s aren't shin gunto, that were  made in a nation wide effort in huge numbers of towns, nor are they type 95 Ncos swords, with different tsuba or side/top latches.

 

they are made in just a hand full factories and were 99% uniform apart from hand finishes and machine tolerances fading over time due to use.  they were made in large numbers and issued when required, that's why numbers overlap and why that last year of production was 1936 but continued to be issued up until 1945.

 

I bet you didn't even know they were issued to other nations army's and can often be found with other armies acceptance stamps. I had a example that had Chinese or Korean arsenal stamps.

 

so please don't tell me that unaware or inexperienced.  

 

Like I said, I don't get into internet arguments so I wont post on this topic after this last post. think what you will

 

 

A variation is  

a different or distinct form or version of something.

[Brian]

Seems a silly thing to be arguing over. We get the gist.
Some collect minute variations, some don't. Not worth getting in a twist over. I seriously collect AK bayonets. I have over 150 different ones. Some go into the minutest of detail and arsenal reworks, others don't. It's not a biggie.

[Shamsy]

minute variations

Spot on!