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Hello everybody i was wondering if someone could help me with the translation of a gendaito sword? I had bought this katana in a very bad condition some years ago. My friend is doing some sword polishing so i gave him this sword because there was almost nothing to see in this blade. And here it is. For me it is perfect now. The seller told me that this was a showa swordsmith who signed his signature later in the ww2 on a different way. That is the only thing i know. So please help me out guys. Thanks from Geoffry from Holland

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Thank you very much. I think you are right. But the only question that is in my head is the way the tang looks? It doesn't look like a ww2 tang. And even the sword from the link has another tang. So are there here any Kanemoto Magoroku specialists on this forum? Maybe this is the work of another generation. The hamon looks like the sword from your link. Only on my blade there is a hanging ball in the hamon?? Thanks a lot Geoffry

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When i bought this sword in shirasaya some years ago there was hardly a hamon visible in this blade. I liked the sword because it is so well balanced when you hold it in your hand. It is very well.made i think and why should a new made gimei sword sell in such a rough condition sir? Because if it is gimei it could only be some years old i think. Geoffry

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Swords with gimei (false signatures) may be quite old. The fact that the signature is not authentic does not mean that the blade, or the false mei itself, does not have substantial age. Jidai Gimei (old fake signatures) may even be contemporary with the swordsmith whose signature is being copied.

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It is classic ww2. That should be Kanemoto Magoroku 27th generation. Just like the link i received from ryujinswords. But this one is 100% gimei? Because the signature looks the same to me. But i am not a Japanese character professor. So a false ww2 gendaito sword if i am right guys? Can someone confirm this for me please? Geoffry

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To my eyes the mei is dramatically different from the (authentic) gendai Kanemoto that was shared above. Compare the two signatures in post #15 above and note the difference in stroke direction, shape, etc. Also note the very different nakago-jiri. With gendai/showa smiths, you do find that the shape of nakago remains relatively consistent during that time period. Going from iriyamagata-jiri (pointed shape) to an almost Bizen looking kuri-jiri (rounded shape) is a big change. My feeling is still that we are looking at a gimei, however I hope that I am wrong and that this fits within the range of variation.

 

http://meiboku.info/guide/form/nakagojiri/index.html

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Geoffry,
Just to reiterate, swords with false signatures are not fake swords. The swords can still be real. Old or modern, of any age and quality. It was done a lot.
So it doesn't make for a bad sword. Yours is real, and I think Gendaito or earlier.

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