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#1 george trotter

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Posted 13 December 2017 - 07:25 AM

I picked up an interesting kai-gunto yesterday...blade ordinary, but it has  the details of both the Australian officer who obtained it in 1945 and the Japanese Naval Ensign who owned/surrendered it. It had the surrender tag and brown rank tassel as one would expect to see (FYI...it also has the extra protruding type scabbard ishizuke (chape) as illustrated in F&G "Japanese. Mil. and Civil Swords and Dirks" pp.70 & 129).

 

My question however relates to the little "tassel" attached to the top scabbard suspension ring. I just don't know exactly what these are. I have seen about 3 over the last 45 years and wonder if anyone knows something about them. Apart from this one on this scabbard, I have seen them twice on navy dirks, also hanging from the suspension ring.

They are brown, good quality "cord" with a plaited/woven "ball"...also of good quality like the usual quality tassels seen on navy and army swords.

Anyone know anything?

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Posted 13 December 2017 - 07:33 AM

They are for the kaigunto. Its a lock strap.

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#3 george trotter

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Posted 13 December 2017 - 07:53 AM

Well, I'll be....thanks for that. Who says the young can't teach the old!

Just to expand a little...do they appear on army gunto also?

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#4 george trotter

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Posted 13 December 2017 - 08:07 AM

Well I'll be...thanks for that.

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#5 Kai-Gunto

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Posted 13 December 2017 - 08:25 AM

I have never seen them on shingunto
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#6 Kai-Gunto

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Posted 13 December 2017 - 10:49 AM

Heres some period photos.

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#7 Dave R

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Posted 13 December 2017 - 12:50 PM

 Shin Gunto tend to solve the problem with metal latches (Chuso stoppers) on metal saya, and leather tabs with buckles or popper studs on the field saya.


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#8 Bazza

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Posted 13 December 2017 - 01:32 PM

I have one coloured brown on a Shingunto housing a Gassan Sadakatsu blade.  It was attached to the sarute so I don't see how that could be a lock-strap - that could be one use, but I suspect there might be another aspect to it.

 

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Posted 13 December 2017 - 02:23 PM

I have one coloured brown on a Shingunto housing a Gassan Sadakatsu blade.  It was attached to the sarute so I don't see how that could be a lock-strap - that could be one use, but I suspect there might be another aspect to it.
 
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Does the gunto have a lock clip?
Maybe post-war mounted.
I wouldnt relie on a thin strap as a tassel, it has to be mounted onto the wrist. Do You have a picture of it?

Heres one more period photo

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Posted 05 January 2019 - 10:56 AM

I recently acquired one of these, I think they are so rare/unknown nobody on ebay knew what it was...

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