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Posted 07 December 2017 - 11:01 AM

This is a wakizashi that recently arrived me, i did some study on it and i have an idea about period and school, but i wanna hear your thoughts about it.

Mumei wakizashi with elonged kissaki, very strong jigane and active hamon, there's mizukage and some utsuri part.

It appears to have a hint a funbari and has really healthy machi.

High shinogi and kasane is pretty constant all along the blade.

 

Nagasa 45.7 cm

Motohaba 32 mm

Sakihaba 23 mm

Sori: 0.9 cm sakizori

Motokasane 4.6 mm, at shinogi 7.5 mm

sakikasane 4.5 mm, at shinogi 6 mm

Hamon: gunome midare with yo and tobiyaki, hada visible inside the hamon aswell

Hada: strong itame with nagare/masame towords the ha.

Boshi: midare


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Posted 07 December 2017 - 11:04 AM

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Posted 07 December 2017 - 11:06 AM

:ttiwwp:

I'm having some trouble with posts, i just added pics  ;-)


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Posted 07 December 2017 - 01:11 PM

Hi Manuel, 

 

Sorry about that but I've always wanted to use that emoticon.  :)

 

Thanks for posting - it's an interesting blade. My initial thoughts from the sugata, tang shape and patina would be Keicho shinto. Looking at the hada tatsu and nagare hada and the hamon, I'd suggest there's a pointer towards Mino, but I don't know quite where to put all that nie utsuri - I haven't got time to have a trawl through the books to nail that down. 

 

I don't think that you are seeing mizukage - I just think it's the nie of the utsuri dipping down and meeting the hamon. I say no mizukage because I don't think the blade is suriage - see Darcy's post No. 15 here:

 

http://www.militaria...flaw-or-utsuri/

 

I hope that isn't too wildly out of line and I'll be interested to hear your views and those of the other NMB'ers.

 

Kind regards,

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Posted 07 December 2017 - 01:43 PM

I tend towards Bungo


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Posted 07 December 2017 - 02:29 PM

Hi Manuel, 

 

Sorry about that but I've always wanted to use that emoticon.  :)

 

Thanks for posting - it's an interesting blade. My initial thoughts from the sugata, tang shape and patina would be Keicho shinto. Looking at the hada tatsu and nagare hada and the hamon, I'd suggest there's a pointer towards Mino, but I don't know quite where to put all that nie utsuri - I haven't got time to have a trawl through the books to nail that down. 

 

I don't think that you are seeing mizukage - I just think it's the nie of the utsuri dipping down and meeting the hamon. I say no mizukage because I don't think the blade is suriage - see Darcy's post No. 15 here:

 

http://www.militaria...flaw-or-utsuri/

 

I hope that isn't too wildly out of line and I'll be interested to hear your views and those of the other NMB'ers.

 

Kind regards,

John

Don't worry about the emoticon ;)

Darcy in his post is talking about retemper, when mizukage appears in suriage blade is evidence of saiha.
But when a blade is ubu is a good sign, especially if koto. In many cases mizukage continues becoming utsuri, in other cases is just a diagonal "reflection", in both cases is caused by temperature difference during yaki-ire. Whether is nie utsuri or other kind of utsuri i don't think it changes the definition of mizukage

About blade i have same idea about period, Keicho shinto seems spot on. Hada shows Mino influence but to me is Shimada, i have a Shimada Sukemune with similar hada.


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Posted 07 December 2017 - 03:04 PM

Sorry - you're absolutely correct - that's me automatically associating mizukage with saiha. 

 

The Shimada school isn't one I really know anything about. I've had a look at some examples and I think the hada and jinie would certainly support your kantei. Thanks again for posting - I've learned something from that.

 

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Posted 07 December 2017 - 03:20 PM

Shinto Mino, well executed.


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Posted 07 December 2017 - 06:41 PM

Shinto Mino, well executed.

Do you have any similar example?

 

Sorry - you're absolutely correct - that's me automatically associating mizukage with saiha. 

 

The Shimada school isn't one I really know anything about. I've had a look at some examples and I think the hada and jinie would certainly support your kantei. Thanks again for posting - I've learned something from that.

 

Best,

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I'm glad you could learn something from this post ;)
I add a picture of my signed and certified Sukemune to comparison
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Posted 07 December 2017 - 07:23 PM

Manuel,

Can you post a picture of the nakago please?
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Posted 07 December 2017 - 07:24 PM

Jean, you mean of the Sukemume?
Of the mumei there's already a picture

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Posted 07 December 2017 - 07:26 PM

Of the Sukemune of course Manuel :)
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Posted 07 December 2017 - 07:28 PM

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Posted 07 December 2017 - 07:55 PM

Thanks a lot Manuel. Unfortunately the nakago jiri has been cut away.
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Posted 07 December 2017 - 08:54 PM

Yes, this is almost katana size hirazukuri wakizashi, before suriage probably around 60 cm nagasa

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