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#1 Vermithrax16

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Posted 05 August 2017 - 02:52 AM

This is a modern sword (Aoi Art) but an ikubi kissaki will always grab me!

 

I know why they were phased out and all that, but love them all the same. Like to see examples:

https://www.aoijapan...-length-90-4-cm

 


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#2 Darcy

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Posted 05 August 2017 - 07:04 AM

IN BEFORE ANYONE SAYS MONGOL INVASIONS!!!

 

Take your mind. Think in three dimensions. Extend the kissaki tip. Leave the yokote where it is. 

 

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Posted 05 August 2017 - 08:58 PM

There was a great example of a Kanemichi Kai Gunto in the sales section with Ikubi but it must've been lost in the reset or deleted by the seller.
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#4 Hamfish

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Posted 05 August 2017 - 11:27 PM

i can post some pics, but i will have to ask the permission of the new owner

 

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#5 Valric

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Posted 06 August 2017 - 01:12 PM

The thickness of the boshi doesn't really fit with the tip being broken and reshaped, unless it's been somewhat masked by clever polish or creative oshigata...


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Posted 07 August 2017 - 12:05 AM

https://www.aoijapan...jiwara-tadahiro


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#7 Hamfish

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Posted 07 August 2017 - 12:31 AM

this the permission of the new owner,

 

ikubi on a showato is uncommon.

 

i dont know any practical reasons why they were slowly phased out for other types of kissaki, as i have never done Iai or anything related.

 

but i think they look very pleasing to the eye, esp on a tachi

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#8 Vermithrax16

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Posted 07 August 2017 - 12:44 AM

I really liked that offering Hamfish, glad it sold!

 

I was informed a great nihonto scholar thinks ikubi was never really a thing, just repaired tips to that shape. Seems we should be able to know this as fact or fiction by now. Interesting.


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Posted 07 August 2017 - 01:45 AM

Nice blade and ikubi kissaki. Lucky new owner. Neil.


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Posted 07 August 2017 - 02:44 AM

FWIW, this sword does not have an ikubi-kissaki. This term refers to a sword in which the kissaki is shorter than it is wide. The proportions can be verified in an image editing application such as Photoshop where, in Aoi's image, the width of the sword at the yokoto is approximately 187 pixels, while the length of the kissaki from the yokote forward is approximately 238 pixels.

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Posted 07 August 2017 - 04:56 AM

Thanks Ray, I was wondering when someone would address this nomenclature slip!!!  I was waiting to find the right Round Tuit!!   Add fumbari to the misunderstood terms list...

 

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Posted 07 August 2017 - 06:10 PM

I was also curious about this being a true ikubi kissaki, as opposed to a ko kissaki/chu kissaki (depending on how you want to look at it I guess).  I didn't want to point out a mistake being so new, plus I thought maybe I misunderstood the meaning of ikubi kissaki myself.  Just to be clear, I'm pretty sure that both swords are not true ikubi kissaki and basically just ko kissaki, correct?  I actually really like short ko kissaki, though they seem to be few and far between...ikubi kissaki on the other hand, I haven't seen any other than in books as examples.


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Posted 07 August 2017 - 11:51 PM

Real Ko kissaki are encountered on early Kamakura blades where fumbari is very important. I have one on one of my sword which is an utsushi of a beginning of Kamakura Bizen tachi by the great Oei Bizen smith Yasumitsu, from memory, it is about 1,88cm long, yokote is 0,8cm. The blade is 70,7cm long

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Posted 08 August 2017 - 01:54 AM

FWIW, this sword does not have an ikubi-kissaki. This term refers to a sword in which the kissaki is shorter than it is wide. The proportions can be verified in an image editing application such as Photoshop where, in Aoi's image, the width of the sword at the yokoto is approximately 187 pixels, while the length of the kissaki from the yokote forward is approximately 238 pixels.

Amazing detective skills as always Raymond!

 

Well looks like technically I made this post in error, and I actually did know the sizing definitions, but did not apply them. Ikubi-like?

 

I have seen a few real nihonto ones around and a newly forged sword (Komonjo :) ) trying to copy the style and should have been more specific. Still, great thread and great discussion.


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Posted 08 August 2017 - 03:09 AM

Jeremiah Mate,

 

Dinna worry Laddie, the pitfalls are many.  I have a good friend who once opined about my "more outrageous pronouncements"!!!

 

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Posted 08 August 2017 - 03:26 AM

Jeremiah Mate,

 

Dinna worry Laddie, the pitfalls are many.  I have a good friend who once opined about my "more outrageous pronouncements"!!!

 

BaZZa.

Haha, thanks BaZZa


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