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#1 matchlockshooter

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Posted 04 August 2017 - 10:55 AM

Hi,

 

 I recently bought a matchlock with a caliber of approx. 7mm. It looks almost unused.

There are some characers on the stock and beneath the barrelI I would like to know the meaning of.

 

Could a matchlock with such small caliber be used for training or for a child?

The gun measures 59 ½” long overall with a 45 ½” octagonal barrel. Bore is bright.

 

Any other info is of course very much appreciated.

 

I already learned from some other members (I posted in the wrong section) that the meaning of the Kanji on the stock can be "5 Bu 3 Rin Gun Barrel (± 16 mm)".

The barrel is between 14 (muzzle) and 18 (breech) mm wide.

 

Thank you very much for answers.

 

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LeoM

 

I submitted some more pictures of the characters on the barrel. I hope these are better readable.

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Posted 04 August 2017 - 12:53 PM

Hi Leo

 

Maybe a request here (with pic rotated 180, barrel muzzle up please)

http://www.militaria...ion-assistance/

will give a faster translation on the barrel.

Not all read post here.


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#3 Brian

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Posted 04 August 2017 - 01:32 PM

It's there. Posted here for more info on the gun itself.


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Posted 04 August 2017 - 03:17 PM

but no translation of Barrel 


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#5 Bugyotsuji

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Posted 04 August 2017 - 03:44 PM

Which thread?

The signature is readable, but I will need a few minutes to pull it all together into a single post! So watch this space...
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#6 Bugyotsuji

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Posted 04 August 2017 - 04:06 PM

To start with:

Enpo 3, 5 gatsu.
So Makibari
Shibatsuji Kiyomasa

http://jp.yearwiz.com/japan/enpo/3
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Posted 04 August 2017 - 04:09 PM

Piers, a lot of steel, and not a lot of brass. Any indication of anything?
Hunting gun?


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#8 Bugyotsuji

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Posted 04 August 2017 - 04:20 PM

Yes, lots of initial thoughts, but a target gun is possible. Too long for a Yashiki or Chigo-deppo. My brain does not work in inches any more so I will need to redo the calculations!

The gun is well-made, probably in Sakai, dated and in good condition, although we cannot see the bisen or inside the vent.
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Posted 04 August 2017 - 04:32 PM

Gun calibers are measured in Monme, but this one is not even one Monme, just 5 bu and three rin in diameter.
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#10 matchlockshooter

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Posted 04 August 2017 - 04:39 PM

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Posted 04 August 2017 - 04:41 PM

I cannot find a Sakai smith signing only with this short name, but there is one long-name smith ending in the same 清正 Kiyomasa.
芝辻幸五小兵衞清正 摂州住

It could well be the same smith. A fairly early gun of minute bore, well made, with a reputed Sakai gunsmith name on it. What's not to love?

Just seen the extra photos. Excellent, both bisen and pan.
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#12 matchlockshooter

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Posted 04 August 2017 - 04:51 PM

Thank you for the excellent information I otherwise never would have found.

The bore is bright like a mirror and it looks like the gun has never be fired. Just somt outside pitting 

 

I Like the simplicity and beauty of its slenderness. I handles like a charm.

 

Was the sighting over the two slots in the rear and front sight or were there attachements involved?


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#13 Bugyotsuji

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Posted 04 August 2017 - 05:50 PM

Nice that the gun is in pristine condition. Quite unusual, especially to have a bright bore! We would need to see a close-up of the rear sight. Sometimes they had an adjustable folding ladder sight fitment. Your front sight has a hole through it, (?) perhaps for longer distance firing?
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Posted 04 August 2017 - 08:53 PM

Yes, there is a hole through the front sight. Pictures attached

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Posted 04 August 2017 - 09:02 PM

A really interesting matchlock. Can this be anything else than a Shateki-zutsu (practise gun)? This is without a doubt the smallest caliber matchlock I've ever seen before. So makibari points to very high quality and so does the familyname of the maker.
A small nugget of gold!!!

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Posted 04 August 2017 - 09:47 PM

Jan

 

I thought a practice gun or child's gun.


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Posted 04 August 2017 - 10:29 PM

You are a wise man, Justin :) I agree with you. This is too small a caliber for hunting either animals or humans. More like a modern day BB-gun. Looking at the absence of a patina might suggest that this gun been subjected to a "polish" during its latter life.

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Posted 04 August 2017 - 11:02 PM

That is seems right. It looks like all the rust has been removed (by a chemical proces?) because you can see the pitting onder the barrel and on some other places.

Luckily they didn't touch the bore. The only patina is on the brass parts

 

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Posted 04 August 2017 - 11:16 PM

Im sorry my ol gut is twitching, im going to take the heat, this feels like a new gun, less than fifty years old, maybe less. 

 

flame on


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Posted 05 August 2017 - 03:32 PM

A twitching gut can be a useful thing to have!

In this case it may have been cleaned, sure, but why would anyone today bother to even attempt to create a gun like this from scratch? The signature does look pretty rough, even amateurish I agree, but again, why forge this particular virtually unknown smith? No added value, IMHO.
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