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#1 NihontoCollector

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Posted 27 July 2017 - 01:06 AM

Dear board members,

 

I have recently acquired this Armor. Complete but for a Kabuto. I beg your pardon for my poor image. I have not had any time yet to further mess around with it due to having take care of a toddler who has little mercy for his fathers leisure time.

 

My knowledge on armor is even more limited than on Nihonto - so very close to none existend. Hence I would greatly appreciate any input towards it. My blant guess is Edo periode from around 1750? Also any hint towards the clan mon is greatly appreciated.

 

Thank you very much,

 

Luis

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Posted 27 July 2017 - 01:45 AM

Dear board members,
 
I have recently acquired this Armor. Complete but for a Kabuto. I beg your pardon for my poor image. I have not had any time yet to further mess around with it due to having take care of a toddler who has little mercy for his fathers leisure time.
 
My knowledge on armor is even more limited than on Nihonto - so very close to none existend. Hence I would greatly appreciate any input towards it. My blant guess is Edo periode from around 1750? Also any hint towards the clan mon is greatly appreciated.
 
Thank you very much,
 
Luis

Hard to say anything without much better images, one thing you can do is to use a magnet to see it all of the parts are metal, also look for any damage to lacing and or lacquer.

#3 NihontoCollector

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Posted 27 July 2017 - 03:36 AM

I'll do better shots once I get a chance. I think it is not all metal. I have a Sendai armor heere. total weight difference


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Posted 27 July 2017 - 10:13 AM

I can see some area's of concern. But only my opinion from the photo. I trust you will receive a more in-depth observation from the resident expert/s after you post further images.

The do, the watagami and mune-ita look to be replacements, you can see the abiki is changed out on the kohaze. From the cracking on the mae-do it could be tetsu okegawa in construction, or possibly made from kawa.

The kote look to be kaga, hence the shape of the tekko.

The menpo, this looks like a reproduction. 

 


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Posted 27 July 2017 - 01:42 PM

Hi Luis., 

 

The Kamon looks like Maru ni Kourin Tsuru.


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Posted 28 July 2017 - 02:17 AM

Thank you very much for your thoughts and input.

 

I'm attachin some more quick snapsshots. The mainpart of the Do seems to be setz up from several metal plates where the back has some sort of concrete (!?) applied below the Urushi. Can this be possible?

 

Thanks again for yor thoughts,

 

Luis

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Posted 28 July 2017 - 02:18 AM

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Posted 28 July 2017 - 09:19 AM

The concrete is car filler. You can see that there have been areas of damages that have been patched and sprayed over.

Japanese armour moves and flexes, the original yoroishi would have used kokuso and sabi urushi which can bend. Car filler cracks apart. Upside is the do is tetsu okegawa design. One of the gessen has been eaten by rats, the gessen is rawhide.

There are areas where the odoshi has been replaced with bootlacing. If you wanted to replace all the odoshi you are looking for 7mm / 60 meters.

The menpo is gendai.

I would source a little hanpo and Zunari kabuto, it would make a nice okashi armour
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#9 NihontoCollector

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Posted 28 July 2017 - 03:59 PM

Hello Dave,

 

thank you very much for your observations. This greatly helps! Yes, indeed you are right! It must be carfiller / epoxyd. While I enjoy using it on my car .. well to be honest I don't enjoy that because it means I have a bump ... it is a pitty someone used it on the Do. The back of it has a bump on the inside. So someone prefered to fuill it up rather than leaving it in place or remove the bump mechanically. This explanation the cracking then.

 

Would anybody mimnd giving me a possible date on the Do? Thank you!

 

I assume this will keep me busy in the winter seasons for some time.

 

best regards


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Posted 28 July 2017 - 06:03 PM

age, momoyama to mid edo. 


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#11 NihontoCollector

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Posted 28 July 2017 - 06:31 PM

Thank you Dave


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Posted 29 July 2017 - 01:37 AM

Also thank you Malcom!


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