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#1 Bruno

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Posted 05 June 2017 - 08:20 PM

Hi guys,

 

I can not remember the name of an experimental type of high end showato made by a Japanese Doctor in a steel laboratory. Not a lot were forged, they were well made and possibly considered as gendai-to. They are more or less in the same line of Mantetsu-to and Gunsui-to.

 

Any idea? Thanks! :bowdown:


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#2 Kai-Gunto

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Posted 05 June 2017 - 11:18 PM

murata?
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Posted 05 June 2017 - 11:56 PM

Could be takayama-to

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Posted 05 June 2017 - 11:58 PM

Thanks guys. Not Murata nor Takayama-to, sorry. I don't think I am mixing up with gunsui-to either. 


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Posted 06 June 2017 - 11:22 AM

Yasuki?
 


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Posted 06 June 2017 - 12:59 PM

My vote is for YASUKI, Neil.


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Posted 06 June 2017 - 08:33 PM

Sorry guys not Yasuki.

 

Maybe Georger Trotter could remember the name as we discussed these swords in the past. George if you read this message...  ;-)


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Posted 06 June 2017 - 10:09 PM

Hello Bruno,
Is it the "Shinbu-to" made by the Toyo - Hamono Co Ltd...?These we laboratory designed for use in very cold conditions...You will find some details on Ohmura - study net....I have one of these swords so if you need any more information or photo's let me know...
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Posted 06 June 2017 - 10:28 PM

Hello again Bruno,
Sorry,forgot to add it was Dr Kotaro Honda,a world famous inventor of "Honda Steel" alongside Seijuro Masahide who in October 1939 succeeded to make the sword...
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Posted 06 June 2017 - 11:56 PM

Paul,

Out of curiosity is there anything on the tang mentioning the special steel?

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Posted 07 June 2017 - 08:45 PM

Hi Paul,

 

Not Shinbu-to sorry, though I would be glad to see photos of yours!  ;-)

 

Once I remember the name I'll post it here.


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Posted 07 June 2017 - 09:18 PM

antiques 027.JPG Hello Charlie,

                     Nothing on the tang about special steel..

         Bruno,

                   No problem,some photo's attached.        

                                                                              Regards,

                                                                                            Paul..

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Posted 08 June 2017 - 09:24 PM

Maybe耐錆鋼?

 

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Like this one:

天照山藤原兼永以耐錆鋼作之

 

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Posted 08 June 2017 - 09:58 PM

Think that is a Takayama sword


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Posted 17 June 2017 - 11:37 AM

Maybe I mixing 2 swords : Gunsui-to and a great sword posted few years ago by George Trotter signed "Oite Minami Shinshu Daitoto Ju Nin Seisui Tsukuru Kore" .


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Posted 27 June 2017 - 06:14 PM

Hi Bruno,

Just saw this post...no, not the same mei as Seisui (Seisui signed in reisho script (much more "scholarly" than this mei).

I get the feeling I have seen this mei before but sorry, I can't remember the post now.

 

The two characters (katanamei) can be read Toshitake...or Nobutake...(the first can also be read Shin, Furu, Furi). I checked the books and cannot find the first character in any swordsmiths name, so, sorry, I can't help.

The long inscription seems to start with a lucky name   " _   _   maru"  followed by a company or association name.

 

Sorry, can't be more helpful. This is one for Morita sensei.

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Posted 28 June 2017 - 03:06 AM

Hi,

 

Dr.Honda Kotaro -----a professor of TOHOKU UNIVERSITY.
and his student(sword smith) Aoyama Masahide(青山正秀).

They made "Kinken To" a little number.

 

They?


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Posted 28 June 2017 - 05:43 AM

Yes,

Paul is right (didn't read his post properly), It is Shinbu To. The two large kanji say ShinBu (a slogan which means "brandish (your) bravery" or "brandish (this sword) bravely").

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Posted 02 July 2017 - 10:33 PM

Yes in fact I think it is a Shinbu To. Thanks to all who helped! 

 

It was few years ago when I saw it so could not remember his name. As Gunsui to were made by the electric engineer Takeo Myagushi, I may mixed up with the Dr Honda Kotaro.

 

My memory is playing tricks on me!

 

Thanks again


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Posted 02 July 2017 - 10:35 PM

Hi,

 

Dr.Honda Kotaro -----a professor of TOHOKU UNIVERSITY.
and his student(sword smith) Aoyama Masahide(青山正秀).

They made "Kinken To" a little number.

 

They?

Morita san,

 

Thanks for the help.

 

"Kinken To" are the same as Shinbu To?


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Posted 02 July 2017 - 10:40 PM

Yes,

Paul is right (didn't read his post properly), It is Shinbu To. The two large kanji say ShinBu (a slogan which means "brandish (your) bravery" or "brandish (this sword) bravely").

Regards,

Thanks a lot George and Paul.

 

Are Shinbu To considered gendai To (true nihonto)?


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Posted 03 July 2017 - 08:40 AM

If they are made with modern steel they are not generally considered gendaito. 


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Posted 03 July 2017 - 10:58 AM

If they are made with modern steel they are not generally considered gendaito. 

Thanks John. Very likely you are right, however Mikasa To are considered gendaito hence my question.

 

Also I have been told that if the sword is made in the traditional way, then the material used is of second importance, and it is considered as a true nihonto.

 

But I don't think it is the case with Shinbu To and Gunsui To.


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