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#1 nektoalex

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Posted 05 June 2017 - 07:09 PM

Hello! Kindly assist with identification of maker, school, and estimated period of this Tsuba..

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#2 rkg

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Posted 05 June 2017 - 07:16 PM

Nara?

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Posted 05 June 2017 - 09:13 PM

Nara School for sure.... End of Edo
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Posted 05 June 2017 - 11:38 PM

I was going to suggest Nara as well. But I'm not that knowledgable on nara
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Posted 06 June 2017 - 06:33 PM

 
I thank everyone for the definition. Request to identify the next tsuba.

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Posted 07 June 2017 - 06:38 PM

 
 
And please indetify and express opinions on the iron tsub

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Posted 16 June 2017 - 04:43 PM

 
Greetings to all!
Probably I'm asking for obvious things-maybe. It happens. I will submit to the court of public opinion the next tsubu. In advance. Is grateful for your comments in the definition and perception of the subject! My English is limping - it's true ...

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Posted 17 June 2017 - 10:20 AM

The shishi dog tsuba looks like cast in my eyes, sorry.


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Posted 18 June 2017 - 08:15 AM

Thanks for the opinion  Chris. Better photos. It seems that the master did not finish the tsuba - as there were traces of marking the future contours, and the texture of the metal surface with traces of the cutter and grooves after the tool. Like that. I am grateful for any comments.

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Posted 27 June 2017 - 12:47 PM

Greetings to all !
There is an assumption that this tsuba-flowers clematis-iron, santoku belongs to the school Kaga and dates back to the XVII century. I ask to speak out on the correctness of attribution.

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Posted 27 June 2017 - 02:10 PM

Dear Alexsandr.

 

I think the term Heianjo zogan would spring to mind for this one, have a look here, http://home.earthlin...ert/heianjo.htm

 

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Posted 27 June 2017 - 03:26 PM

Thanks dear Geraint, you are right, this term in this case is more appropriate. I represent the following tsubu from the family Gomoku Zogan dating from the 17th century. I ask to speak out on the correctness of attribution.
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#13 nektoalex

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Posted 02 December 2017 - 08:46 PM

Hello!

I ask you to express your views on the period of manufacture and school of this tsuba. Thanks in advance!

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Posted 02 December 2017 - 11:03 PM

Alexsandr,

this could be a late KINAI TSUBA.


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Posted 02 December 2017 - 11:18 PM

Hi

This my tsuba

 

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Possibly Sendai - Aizu Shoami 1650 - 1700

 

 


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Posted 03 December 2017 - 07:25 PM

Thank you for your help! Grev Your tsuba variation is almost identical, except for the mimi form.


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Posted 27 December 2017 - 10:48 AM

Greetings!

Daisy tsuba. What was interesting were bought at different times and in different sources. Maybe late edo?

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Posted 27 December 2017 - 10:50 AM

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Posted 27 December 2017 - 04:28 PM

Those crane tsuba make a nice daisho, assuming that the color of the metal is similar in the hand!


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Posted 27 December 2017 - 06:38 PM

 

Gomoku Zogan dating from the 17th century. I ask to speak out on the correctness of attribution.
 

 

 

17th century? Doubtful. I would say this is a 18th-19th c "tosho" which has been adorned (read "defaced") by the zogan, most likely some time after the tsuba was made.

 

I will give you a tip regarding attribution... Whatever is not obvious, you can attribute to "Shoami". Of course this is pointless, as Shoami is a grab bag. But if you need an attribution for your guards, this is the way to go. 


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Posted 27 December 2017 - 07:57 PM

Hello,

 

17th century? Doubtful. I would say this is a 18th-19th c "tosho" which has been adorned (read "defaced") by the zogan, most likely some time after the tsuba was made.

 

I will give you a tip regarding attribution... Whatever is not obvious, you can attribute to "Shoami". Of course this is pointless, as Shoami is a grab bag. But if you need an attribution for your guards, this is the way to go. 

For me tosho point to iron tsuba. These one seems to be shakudo ones.

So I guess this is original ornaments.

 

No idea about the school.


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#22 Marius

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Posted 27 December 2017 - 08:00 PM

I was referring to the gomoku zogan tsuba, which is iron.


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Posted 27 December 2017 - 08:16 PM

Alexsandr,

in the first photo of post 18 I am missing the beak of the crane. Or is that my old eyes?

 


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Posted 27 December 2017 - 08:46 PM

The beak is present, the bird's head is tilted down and to the right-under the trunk.

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Posted 28 December 2017 - 02:34 AM

Thank you, I see it now!


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Posted 28 December 2017 - 10:10 AM

Hello,

I was referring to the gomoku zogan tsuba, which is iron.

 

Sorry for confusion, I was thinking your were discussing the last photos.


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#27 nektoalex

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Posted 28 December 2017 - 08:50 PM

I thank everyone for their help in determining! I ask you to comment on the "snowflake" in the question of attribution.

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