Aoi Auction

[YOJIMBO]

Somewhat interesting jump: http://www.sword-auction.jp/en/content/af17114-%E7%9B%AE%E8%B2%AB%EF%BC%9A%E7%84%A1%E9%8A%98%E9%9B%84%E9%B6%8F-menuki-mumeiunsignedrooster

 

 

 

I do not understand much. The jump bid is 1000 JPY. There are 2 bidders. 2 bids. Does anyone understand that?

[Bugyotsuji]

The starting bid is 50,000, and two people have bid so far...?

 

The bidding increments are 1,000 JPY, so the present total is 52,000?

 

Apart from that, no, I do not understand how their system works. (Nice menuki though!)

[YOJIMBO]

Normally it would have to be 50x added to 100,000. It is not. Any manipulation? Maybe they gave a low starting price, so did they adjust it?

[Bugyotsuji]

Did you add the highest price you would willingly go? Someone is willing to go to 100,000, right?

 

Did you read this page?

http://www.sword-auction.jp/en/howtobid

[YOJIMBO]

Did you add the highest price you would willingly go? 

No, i bid only 1 x 1000. so may max was 51 000. 

 

 Someone is willing to go to 100,000, right?

 

Probably not. I think they bid byself the minimum price. thay want sell for. 

[Stephen]

Bid amountTime   ¥100,000 2017-05-30 09:40

                                ¥50,0002017-05-27 15:12

 

looks like a bid of 100,000Y so next bid would be 101,000...right?

[Wayben]

I assume the bids have to be in increments of 1000, but not limited to 1000.  First bidder bids 99,000.  Second bidder bids something over 100,000.  Results in high bid being 100,000.

[seattle1]

Hello:

 Wayne has it exactly.

 Arnold F.

[Tanto54]

Folks,

 

THIS IS A FAKE!!!!  I am very sad to report that this is an exact, molded copy of a fine pair of Menuki that I own (and recently purchased).  Mine is definitely the original.  The one on Aoi shows signs of being copied using modern rubber mold techniques. Look carefully, even the tiny flaws on my very detailed pair are on the cast set from Aoi.  For example, look at the tiny dent on the Male's wing feather in the middle.  It is clearly a tiny dent on my set but is a blurry imperfection on the Aoi set (showing, along with many other similar points, that the Aoi set was copied from mine using recent modern techniques).  I did not buy my menuki from Aoi, but I did purchase them from a dealer in Japan.  I'm not accusing Aoi of being involved in the forgery (perhaps they bought it from someone else), but the set they are selling appears to be a modern, fake copy of my menuki.  I'm going to reproduce this in the Tosogu Section so everyone see it.  Be careful out there....

 

 

 

[Surfson]

They certainly appear to be identical!

[Ford Hallam]

I would have to agree with George. That degree of similarity is very very unlikely.

 

But cast copies of gold menuki have been floating around since the 70's and are very hard to detect if done well.

Modern mould making and vacuum casting is very accurate. When I was an apprentice in the trade we were able to reproduce fingerprints in wax, and that was more than 30 years ago