Tanaka Tsuba

[kissakai]

Hi

Anyone know where I can buy a Tanaka school tsuba?

I've been looking over some tsuba books and I've seen some very nice example

 

 

Grev UK

[Geraint]

Hi Grev,

 

Here's one, http://www.nihonto.us/TANAKA%20TSUBA%20LARGE.htm  Hope you have deep pockets, they don't come cheap.

 

All the best

[Gunome]

http://www.tetsugendo.com/kodogu/FT-177_Tanaka_Toshiharu.html

[Pete Klein]

BTW:  the school is referred to as, 'Toryusai'. 

[Curran]

Prices tend to be dear on them, and one collector has done a good job of cornering the market on the better ones I have seen over the last 5 to 10 years.

[rkg]

Grev,

 

These are not what I normally collect, but I really like them - I got hooked shooting a batch of them for somebody in the distant past...

 

You see them around, though Pete is right, you also have to search for "Toryusai" group tsuba as well.  They seem to come out in bunches for some reason. You can sometimes find OK pieces starting at a about couple of grand US (much less than that and they are either pretty bland or have issues (beware rust on the iron ones - they seem to pit very easily for some reason (and that's often hidden by unscrupulous sellers so you have to check any iron piece you get very carefully), and actually any patina damage can be bad - nobody knows how they created some of their finishes, and therefore damage to one of those can't be "fixed")).

 

If you -really- want one, you might be able to contact that certain nameless collector - he sometimes sells off the bottom, though the price of admission usually starts at USD5000 and goes up from there quickly...

 

Yaaa! Back to work,

rkg

(Richard George)

 

EDIT: I forgot to mention that they're apparently "in" this year, so the prices above may no longer be valid

[kissakai]

Thanks for the relies

It looks that there could be too many pitfalls unless from a known dealer

I will have a look for Toryusai as well

It looks like the prices will be to high for me especially if they are 'flavour of the month'

There are four in the Birmingham museum

Three are the normal brown patina and then there is the one attached

 

 

The other favourite in the Inaba school and they have three of these

 

 

Grev

 

[jlawson]

The Toshiharu from Tetsugendo.com that you linked to was sold a long time ago and lives in Texas with a few others.... :-) 

[Teimei]

http://www.nihonto.us/KUMAGAI%20TSUBA%20BR%20HALF.htm

 

If you like the style but not the Price ...

 

 

 

regards,

[kissakai]

Hi Florian

I've have a big think about that one as I do like it

[rkg]

Here's a toryusai school piece:

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Antique-Japanese-samurai-sword-TSUBA-Katana-Edo-period-/121934654158?hash=item1c63df2ace:g:-54AAOSwBnVW8~kd

 

The trouble is that this appears to be offered by one of the dreaded "resellers" - maybe you could get it for a fair amount less if you can find the shop he is er, representing?

 

rkg

(Richard George)

[Pete Klein]

Here is the real sale page:

 

http://www.seiyudo.com/tu-030515.htm

[kissakai]

Thanks Richard & Pete

I'm amazed how you find these and then to trace the real sale page

The tsuba is stunning but at just over $3,600 and then the import duty

 

James L intimated the price sort a reasonable Tanaka tsuba would be

While you have got your search eyes on any Inaba tsuba about?

I like my largish collection as I've a lot to learn from these but I can see me selling a load to specialise but not yet

 

 

Grev UK

[rkg]

Just to resurrect an old dead thread...

 

Might have been a deal back then - prices on these piece seem to be going nuts these days:

https://www.sendico.com/yahoo/lot_f289927292.html

 

I think this reads "toshinori" - one of Kiyotoshi's (many) students - at least he rates a mention in the genealogy in sesko's book, but...

 

Best,

rkg

(Richard George)

[kissakai]

Some nice links and comments

Not sure where Toshinori has come from so I will look him up

[Pete Klein]

That tsuba is pictured in 'Toso Kodogu Meijei Taikei' by Wkakyama as an example of the mei so although it did not have a paper it would be pretty much guaranteed.  'Wei bother' bought it, of course which probably has something to do with the price but I could see it selling on Ginza for that price anyway.  It is a smallish but very nice piece, IMHO.

[TETSUGENDO]

This is one of my favorite schools, always has been.  I have not seen a first rate example offered in quite a while.  People are paying high prices for second rate examples  by third rank makers, apparently the price of catch-up is dear.

 

-S-

p.s- for some reason many of the more interesting offerings seem to originate from France.

[kissakai]

I did have a look at some of the links above but as you say expensive and pretty second rate in comparision to the good examples

[TETSUGENDO]

Grev,

 

Not a lot of attractive options out there, which is good as you can build up a fund to utilize when the right piece comes along.  It will be costly, but I find the only regrets I have are of the things I did not buy.  

 

Cheers,

    -S-