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#1 dale

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Posted 10 March 2017 - 10:07 PM

Gentlemen

Please look at my pictures and tell me what it is.  Of course I hope it's a hand cannon.  I believe it's a rough casting, even the two side holes appear to be cast at the same time.   About 11 1/4" o/a and the bore is about 7/8"  The string is a modern shoestring but it came that way.

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#2 Geraint

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Posted 11 March 2017 - 12:30 AM

Dale. how do you see this "hand cannon" working?

 

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Posted 11 March 2017 - 12:49 AM

I really don't know.  It looks identical to a picture of one on the net.  what is your opinion of what it is?   I'm pretty used to being way off base in my asumptions. lol

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Posted 11 March 2017 - 02:23 AM

To me it looks strongly like a (Chinese?) repro, with the holes to stop someone attempting to fire it.(?)
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Posted 11 March 2017 - 10:11 AM

The design is based on a hand gonne or pole gun. Before stocks and butts, a pole was fitted into the rear socket. The barrel was filled with coarse gunpowder, stones etc., and the thing was fired by application of fire to a touch-hole, like a cannon. Often there was a metal flange or hook on the barrel to place over a fence or wall and prevent kickback.
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#6 dale

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Posted 11 March 2017 - 03:52 PM

Thank you Sir,

 

I hadn't considered a repro but it makes sense.   I thought it was just a strange variation

 

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Posted 11 March 2017 - 06:05 PM

You are welcome Dale. It's a fascinating subject. If you run searches you will come with early Chinese and European versions, mostly in bronze but some in iron. The patination/rust can tell us many secrets. No mechanism, no sights, just point and fire. Upgraded versions had three barrels off one pole.
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#8 Peter Bleed

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Posted 11 March 2017 - 06:48 PM

I am skeptical and would look for a "modern" explanation. I can't see it functioning as a firearm and it looks like a modern design and manufacture. Could it be the cast iron end of a large lever or adjustment arm. That well formed "handle" looks modern to my eye.  I'd show it to a railway or nautical engineer.

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#9 Geraint

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Posted 11 March 2017 - 07:28 PM

 

 

 a pole was fitted into the rear socket. 

Agreed but there is only a socket at one end, no discernible touch hole and that strange hole right through soooooo....?


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Posted 11 March 2017 - 08:47 PM

Hmmm...I see what you are saying. Looking a bit closer, it looks more like a truncheon or something! Weird.

Giving up for now.
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#11 dale

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Posted 11 March 2017 - 10:03 PM

Gentlemen,

I appreciate your time and knowledge and hate wasting both.    I guess ol blind barnabus was doing a lot of wishful thinking.   I am posting the photo from the net that reeled me in.   I thought I'd really found something.   LoL twice

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Posted 11 March 2017 - 11:45 PM

That's the jobbie!!!
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