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#1 md02geist

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Posted 01 March 2017 - 09:08 PM

So I ran across something while perusing Aoi's site:

 

https://www.aoijapan...n-ryodan-saidan

 

 

This blade specifically says "but we can't find hamon for some reason."

 

 

Am I misreading the high-res pictures? I swear I see a hamon or what looks like a hamon, right up until it hits the kissaki. Is that just an angle of light thing?

 

Forgive me if this is a dumb question. :)

 


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Posted 01 March 2017 - 09:12 PM

Based on Tsuruta-san's description, this is most likely only the kesho (hadori) that is applied in finish polish. From the photo below, it does appear that there is only a sleepy remnant of the original yakiba.

 

https://www.aoijapan...016/16583-4.jpg

 

It is possible that the sword was in a fire or exposed to heat at some point which caused the hamon to mostly fade away.

 

BTW, polishers can do remarkable things to disguise a missing hamon or boshi. This includes inlaying small pieces of hard steel to replicate the appearance of nie. There was one such sword at a recent sword show, where the lower half of the blade had a "hamon" consisting entirely of inlaid nie and a simulated yakiba done through skillful polish.  


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Posted 01 March 2017 - 11:00 PM

Thanks Ray. That makes complete sense; not sure why I didn't consider that angle. Still learning! Shame to see a sword have that occur to it. Clearly it effects the value, too.


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Posted 02 March 2017 - 05:23 AM

Wow Ray i had no idea inlay was used for this purpose. There isnt much a good togi cant accomplish huh. Thanks.

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Posted 02 March 2017 - 12:01 PM

.....BTW, polishers can do remarkable things to disguise a missing hamon or boshi. This includes inlaying small pieces of hard steel to replicate the appearance of nie. There was one such sword at a recent sword show, where the lower half of the blade had a "hamon" consisting entirely of inlaid nie and a simulated yakiba done through skillful polish.  

Ray,

I did not know this was possible and really done! Sounds like a lot of effort, and I am not sure I would like such a blade. On the other hand a SAI-HA/ new YAKI-IRE would not represent much more work, I think. 


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Posted 02 March 2017 - 05:59 PM

For a cutting test blade incredible cheap. Who needs a hamon?  :glee: 


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Posted 02 March 2017 - 06:28 PM

It is an effective approach if someone's intention is to disguise a missing boshi, nioi giri, etc (a section of the sword) rather than saiba in which the entire hamon would need to be recreated. If the majority of the original hamon has been preserved there is a greater likelihood that the flaw will pass unnoticed. I am not advocating this practice BTW, most times the intention would be to deceive potential buyers and it is certainly better to preserve the sword for what is rather than drilling a number of holes in the blade. Some may not agree, but I also prefer not to see umegane done for the same reason.

 

 

Ray,

I did not know this was possible and really done! Sounds like a lot of effort, and I am not sure I would like such a blade. On the other hand a SAI-HA/ new YAKI-IRE would not represent much more work, I think. 


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#8 DaViebaPutkataMamina

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Posted 18 March 2017 - 03:31 PM

Interesting to say the least but I think the 'missing' hamon plus this detail has made the price what it is.
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#9 Alex A

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Posted 18 March 2017 - 05:08 PM

No doubt, without any problem and with papers it would be twice the amount or more.

 

I looked at this sword a while ago, got the impression that Aoi was speaking about the lack of boshi, hard to judge from the photos.


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Posted 19 March 2017 - 01:03 AM

Is it a real cutting test?????  In my time I have seen some very, very dubious cutting tests.  Buy for the blade, not the gold that glitters!!!

 

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Posted 19 March 2017 - 10:22 AM

Thought the same thing Bazza, i would be wary
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#12 Carlo Giuseppe Tacchini

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Posted 19 March 2017 - 09:32 PM

Aoi shouldn't sell blade of this level..


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