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#1 Dereksure

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Posted 28 February 2017 - 07:15 PM

http://www.ebay.co.u...=STRK:MEBIDX:IT


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#2 Alex A

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Posted 28 February 2017 - 09:32 PM

Hi Derek, your sword? :glee:

 

Joking.

 

Being Ebay, perhaps a better title would be "possible bargain?"


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#3 Gunome

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Posted 28 February 2017 - 09:44 PM

Hello,

 

I think that Derek point out the fact that this sword has a Tokubetsu Hozon and is listed at $3400.


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Posted 28 February 2017 - 09:52 PM

Last part of the description copied from https://www.aoijapan...ibana-sadakuni/

But maybe he was just copying the research? The rest of the description seems unique...so probably all ok. Just have to use due diligence.


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#5 Brian

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Posted 28 February 2017 - 09:55 PM

Hmmmmm.....NOPE.....

Description copied from here: https://www.aoijapan...hibana-sadakuni

Katana specs....this is a wakizashi. I am not getting a good feeling about this one. Parts of description taken from various places.


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#6 DaViebaPutkataMamina

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Posted 01 March 2017 - 02:17 AM

If I could chime in. It looks good to me. Description taken from other places is questionable but sometimes folks just don't know what they are selling .. What do you think is the true value, assuming it is all 'straight'? Maybe I can take a chance with it


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#7 Mark

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Posted 01 March 2017 - 03:12 AM

i made him an offer, figured i could pick it up so no issues. Now he is now harassing me with a mean messages. wish i never found it


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#8 DaViebaPutkataMamina

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Posted 01 March 2017 - 03:30 AM

Why? What happened??? Would you mind sharing the details please?


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#9 Mark

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Posted 01 March 2017 - 03:37 AM

i made him an offer, figured he would counter and as i could pick it up no worries. He rejected the offer and started a rant about where could i find one for his price and what a deal it was so on so on ended up cursing me for making an offer he must have thought was too low.  so i guess he should not have had a "make offer" option. seems he is easily offended???????


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#10 DaViebaPutkataMamina

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Posted 01 March 2017 - 03:40 AM

What was your offer? Thanks for sharing


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#11 DaViebaPutkataMamina

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Posted 01 March 2017 - 06:07 PM

i made him an offer, figured he would counter and as i could pick it up no worries. He rejected the offer and started a rant about where could i find one for his price and what a deal it was so on so on ended up cursing me for making an offer he must have thought was too low.  so i guess he should not have had a "make offer" option. seems he is easily offended???????

 

Hi Mark,

 

I see this disappeared. I want to contact the seller and ask about it. Could you please share what your offer was so I get a better feel for what I should pay? Thank you in advance


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Posted 01 March 2017 - 06:33 PM

Sadakuni was a Jo-saku smith, rather than a Jojo-saku smith. The Jojo-saku comment was one of Tsuruta-san's sword-specific rankings which relate to a completely different blade and have nothing to do with this one. It is worth noting that the sword has quite significate kitae-ware and areas of coarse hada. IMHO, not a sword I would be scrambling to buy. Not long ago I was able to purchase a nicer, flawless, ubu, papered example by Hojoji Masahiro in koshirae for less than the previous asking price.


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#13 DaViebaPutkataMamina

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Posted 01 March 2017 - 06:43 PM

Sadakuni was a Jo-saku smith, rather than a Jojo-saku smith. The Jojo-saku comment was one of Tsuruta-san's sword-specific rankings which relate to a completely different blade and have nothing to do with this one. It is worth noting that the sword has quite significate kitae-ware and areas of coarse hada. IMHO, not a sword I would be scrambling to buy. Not long ago I was able to purchase a nicer, flawless, ubu, papered example by Hojoji Masahiro in koshirae for less than the previous asking price.

Thank you very much for your opinion and input. I was just asking about his offer.

 

Also without expanding the discussion I thought that the forging of the shinogi usually consists of 'larger' itame in the area where the blade is the weakest. Plus, this is a defense sword so that in a sense creates a path for justification of my liking. Also, how did it get toku ho? Does that mean that eventually every blade that has had hozon will be awarded the next level?

 

Thanks again 


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Posted 01 March 2017 - 06:48 PM

Shinto blades are often masame in the shinogi-ji. That is one important kantei in determining when a sword may have been made.

 

Also without expanding the discussion I thought that the forging of the shinogi usually consists of 'larger' itame in the area where the blade is the weakest.

 

A sword must be submitted separately to shinsa for Tokubetsu Hozon. It is not a given that a sword with Hozon can be upgraded to Tokubetsu Hozon. Receiving that level is a factor of the sword's health, quality, etc. There is a specific ruleset which also determines if a sword is prequalified to receive Tokubetsu Hozon, such as the fact that a Shinto blade must be signed with an authentic signature to be considered to receive a kanteisho at that level.

 

Also, how did it get toku ho? Does that mean that eventually every blade that has had hozon will be awarded the next level?

 

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#15 DaViebaPutkataMamina

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Posted 01 March 2017 - 06:59 PM

Shinto blades are often masame in the shinogi-ji. That is one important kantei in determining when a sword may have been made.

 

 

A sword must be submitted separately to shinsa for Tokubetsu Hozon. It is not a given that a sword with Hozon can be upgraded to Tokubetsu Hozon. Receiving that level is a factor of the sword's health, quality, etc. There is a specific ruleset which also determines if a sword is prequalified to receive Tokubetsu Hozon, such as the fact that a Shinto blade must be signed with an authentic signature to be considered to receive a kanteisho at that level.

I appreciate you taking the time to introduce valuable facts in order to determine period specifically. As I have limited experience I can assure you no question will be asked twice but one thing that I question is - isn't masame finer steel? Or maybe it has a small mix of itame .. I don't know but I want to learn. Also, it seems like regardless of Jo Saku rating there must have been something that is worth the tokubetso hozon status in it. I think I will attempt to buy it, I am secretly hoping Mark would let us know what his offer was before I initiate contact with the seller whom has pretty good selling feedback so far


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#16 Brian

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Posted 01 March 2017 - 07:05 PM

Forget his offer. It's gone. If you want to contact the seller, then do so..and ask him what he needs to get. This is pointless.


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