1St Model Nco Type 95 ? Copper Hilt

[Julian]

Hello everyone 

 

i just want your opinion about this sword ...when i refer to http://www.japaneseswordindex.com/military.htm..the nco model im looking for have a the same  copper hilt like the one show in the link but no screw ..

i just want to make sure before buying because i know there is a lot of FAKE 

 

thks for your help 

 

 

regards 

Julien 

[Stephen]

it has screw, it has high numbers, i call knock off, not true Copper NCO

[charlie1]

Also copper handles have no drag on the scabbard and the sarute is also wrong.

 

Charlie S.

[Julian]

thks Stephen and Charlie 

im gonna past on this one 

[Stephen]

study this site

 

http://ohmura-study.net/957.html

[Julian]

thks you Stephen very nice website 

[Julian]

This one i think is a true firts model and the scabbard fit as descrive on the website you link Stephen but i think this one as be repaint ?

i dont know what the final price gonna be but im guessing near 2k 

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/162049285590?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

[Stephen]

Its a good one, my guess well over 3K, matching low number, really nice!

[Julian]

oh yaaa you think over 3k

wow that a high price for a machine made blade 

but yes it look very  good and it rare so we gonna see soon how much a collectionner want to pay for this one 

 

thks Stephen have a great day 

[Bruce Pennington]

Wow, I realize, like Fuller of F&G said, there are exceptions to every rule. This is one of them. I've never seen one with the arsenal and manufacturer stamps in that order. They are normally the other way (pics below). Also, the Kokura stamp on the blade is on the wrong side. The blade and saya look correct and the tsuba is fatter than normal, but F&G has one like that too.

 

Overall, I'd say this is legit and just stamped by an inspector with dislexia! I paid $2,400 for mine!

[vajo]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/162049285590?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

 

Looks amazing. Such nice condition. That will be very expensive. Bruce you have also a very nice one.

Congrats.

[Stegel]

I also have one of my  Type 95's with the logos in reverse order.

Bruce, your fuchi appears to be made of brass?? can you confirm pls?

[Bruce Pennington]

I also have one of my  Type 95's with the logos in reverse order.

Bruce, your fuchi appears to be made of brass?? can you confirm pls?

Stegel, I'm on the road, hoping to be home late tonight, and I'll take a closer look at it. Here's a couple more pics I have on my tablet. One looks like copper but in the other shot, it looks brass, maybe with copper coating?

[Stephen]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Japanese-SWORD-RARE-JUST-FOUND-AT-SHOW-COPPER-NCO-EARLY-SN-MATCHING/162049285590?_trksid=p2045573.c100033.m2042&_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20131017132637%26meid%3Dc2b2be9bb7ee413ab2c28005cc51947d%26pid%3D100033%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D4%26mehot%3Des%26sd%3D162049285590&autorefresh=true

 

   

[Stephen]

1K OVER   my guess, is this a record??    4009$!!!! 

[charlie1]

I was looking at the auction too.. Crazy prices on ebay sometimes. Especially with the repainted scabbard. I like military swords, but I can't justify 4K on a NCO sword.

 

charlie

[Stephen]

REpainted,,,,whacha smoking??

[Fred Geyer]

It is still a very rare sword that is matching , when was the last time you saw one for sale and the old paint is easly taken off to the original finish, I say a good buy!!   

 

my be the last one you see sold for many... many, years!!

[charlie1]

The examples I've seen in person and in the Dawson and Fuller books the brass plug on end is not painted over. The NCO one on ebay was painted over, so when it was painted over is up for debate.

[Stephen]

What are you talking about the saya>

[Stegel]

The examples I've seen in person and in the Dawson and Fuller books the brass plug on end is not painted over. The NCO one on ebay was painted over, so when it was painted over is up for debate.

I agree, this one has been painted over, however, originally these had a primer applied to the base metal before the OD was applied. The brass plugs were also painted over.  I have one with almost mint paint on the scabbard, here's the picture for your interest.

[Stegel]

1K OVER   my guess, is this a record??    4009$!!!! 

I thought you're guess was pretty accurate, but.... well, every now and then a surprise pops up. I don't think it is a record though, about 2 yrs back a couple of Copper NCO's went for 3500 and 4200. 

A fellow i know sold one for US $6,433.70.....but it was a 2 digit and numbers matching!

I suppose it's a combination of  1- Availability  2- Desirability,  and enough of #2  on the day!!

 

 

Found the add:

 

Item number: 330601997595

 

Japanese SWORD

NCO COPPER HANDLED EXCEPTIONALLY RARE LOW NUMBER

Item condition: Used

Ended: Aug 16, 2011 05:41:27 PDT

Sold For: AU $6,500.00 1 bid

 

Approximately US $6,433.70

Shipping: AU $50.00(approx. US $49.49) - Standard Shipping

| See all shipping details

 

Item location: pinjarra, Australia

 

[Fred Geyer]

NONE of you must be looking at the photos it has a brass plug on the end ..it is 1090% right , you shoulnt NOT comment if you do not look and study .

 

Fred   

[Stegel]

Fred, i'm a little confused,  from what i can see, NO one disputed the fact that it had a brass end...... only that the scabbard was painted over.

[Fred Geyer]

I think if you read above I see some cheap statements by people 

 

Fred

[charlie1]

I wasn't saying anything was wrong with the brass plug or the sword only the paint possibly. I've heard this sword is off to China. Can anyone confirm this?

[Bruce Pennington]

I also have one of my  Type 95's with the logos in reverse order.

Bruce, your fuchi appears to be made of brass?? can you confirm pls?

I've gotten a close look at that fuchi. Comparing it to the clearly brass habaki and the copper handle, I'd say it looks more like copper than brass.

[Stegel]

Thanks for the reply Bruce,

it looked interesting enough to ask about.

Cheers

[The_ozzy_samurai]

So did anyone see that auction finish today for the copper handle NCO for around $5260 AU ?

 

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/162049285590?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

 

or this NCO sword,correct me if im wrong it seem's just a little odd 

 

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/322087263618?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

[Stegel]

The second link is to a fake from China/India, i'm a bit surprised that the seller didn't ID it as such.

 

I can see a refund coming if the buyer is quick enough

 

The copper handled one is interesting, 2 other bidders eventually pushed up the buyer to almost double his bid in the last minute...

it would be a bit disheartening, but he must of wanted it bad