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#1 Johnny Barracuda

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Posted 23 June 2015 - 07:37 PM

Hello,

 

I am looking for a gold sword knot/tassel for an infantry officer field grade kyu gunto. See picture below.

 

One just escaped me on eBay last week end because I was away and I am rather put out about it. It was sold for $ 145.

 

I am proposing a purchase price of 150 to 250 dollars.

 

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Posted 24 June 2015 - 10:34 AM

best of luck, you should have put your hand deeper into you wallet. that was a very good buy for someone.

 

shingunto tassels for field grade are $500+, and taking into account that the earlier Kyu gunto tassel is much easer to damage compared to the shingunto tassel, I would say your going to have to wait a fair while before finding one for that price.

 

and if you do please let me know I would love to get one for that price.


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#3 Johnny Barracuda

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Posted 24 June 2015 - 08:07 PM

I know it was a good buy, for someone else. I was away with no web access and I came home too late. This is incredibly annoying. :bang:

 

However, kyu gunto tassels were made for 45 years and are not so rare in Japan. In Japan.


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Posted 25 June 2015 - 12:08 AM

true they did have a long service history, but last time I was Japan I couldn't find any. and evan when asked for Kyu gunto I got a lot of odd looks.

evan  one store had all military stuff  stuffed into a umbrella stand with little care.

 

went to every sword/antique store known in Tokyo and surrounding districts and the only store with quality imperial era stock was the sword store in the antique mall Ginza, just near the train/subway station. great stuff but out of my price range


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Posted 25 June 2015 - 11:03 AM

During flea market days in temples and shrines, you can find some interesting stuff. Of course, discussing with sellers in broken English, one might have to praise the military might of Imperial Japan to facilitate transactions...  :doubt:  :doubt:  :doubt:

 

I agree on the surprised faces triggered by the kyu gunto question. However, a Japanese good friend told me that such swords are not widely known as "kyu gunto" in Japan but rather as type 1875/1886 or type 8/19 swords.


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Posted 25 June 2015 - 12:40 PM

ahhhhhh, that would explain that issue hahahah.

 

I enjoyed the yasukuni flea market, but have never made it to the international market yet, would there be suck items there?


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Posted 25 June 2015 - 04:12 PM

Heres one.....but the price.......
http://www.ebay.com/...=item5676e99cd7
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Posted 25 June 2015 - 05:56 PM

Thanks Thomas. I am rather certain that it is the one that sold for $143 on Saturday night...


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Posted 26 June 2015 - 03:48 PM

Bought it from eBay. After offers and counteroffers, the seller accepted a reduced price of $350, which is not so bad, since it appears pristine.


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Posted 27 June 2015 - 06:47 PM

i dont know these grades, which one is this ? a step down in rank?

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#11 Johnny Barracuda

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Posted 27 June 2015 - 09:00 PM

Those are Meiji/Taisho era Army officer tassels, used until 1934, when the Army kyu gunto was replaced with the shin gunto.

 

The tassel you are pointing to is for company grade officers, i.e. from sub-lieutenant to captain. It is in great condition but overpriced. It should go for about 120 to 150 dollars.

 

The one I purchased has a stem after the acorn, it is the much rarer field grade tassel, from major to colonel.

 

There is a third one, the general grade tassel, which has the same stem as the field grade one, but is ball-shaped instead of being acorn-shaped. On early Meiji era general grade tassels, you can even find on the stem a number of stars corresponding to the rank of the general (brigadier general, major general, etc).

 

See examples of these three types of tassels put on dress swords on Ohmura san's site (they were also worn on full size kyu gunto) : http://ohmura-study.net/771.html (At the bottom, you will see an example of the Navy kyu gunto officer's tassel, which was the same for all ranks)

 

There are also variants of the above-mentioned, with a flat black strap instead of the golden rounded one, introduced in 1912, along with a more rugged completely black and ball-shaped one for combat situations, favoured by the Cavalry.

 

Again from Ohmura's treasure trove: http://ohmura-study.net/771.html


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Posted 27 June 2015 - 10:03 PM

Thank you Thibault


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Posted 27 June 2015 - 10:59 PM

I need one of these http://www.ebay.com/...=item5676e9a27a

Any around online cheaper?
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Posted 28 June 2015 - 05:43 AM

yeah, they pop up from time to time, normally at the 150 range


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Posted 29 June 2015 - 09:41 AM

yeah, they pop up from time to time, normally at the 150 range

 

Could find any at that price, so I just bought the eBay one. Although I did manage to get the price down to $250.


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Posted 29 June 2015 - 10:44 AM

You should have waited, because even at $250, it was overpriced by $100.

 

I was about to point you towards a website where you could have bought one for $125.


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Posted 29 June 2015 - 01:10 PM

You should have waited, because even at $250, it was overpriced by $100.

 

I was about to point you towards a website where you could have bought one for $125.

 

It was worse than that I discovered one of my friends had some and I could have had one for free. :laughing:

 

Which dealer has them listed for $125?


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Posted 29 June 2015 - 02:57 PM

German Militaria


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Posted 27 July 2015 - 11:50 AM

Sorry for the late follow-up, here is the link: http://www.germanmil...1Japanese5.html


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Posted 20 August 2015 - 02:26 PM

I have one of these on a general grade kyugunto (turtle horn handle with full back strap decoration).  It appears not to be gold but have a rainbow/mother of pearl type color to it, although you can't see the colors in this photo.  Can anybody tell me what these go for?  I am completely in the dark about it and a friend is interested in the sword.  Cheers, Surf

 

 
 

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Posted 21 August 2015 - 12:01 AM

in that condition, with out the blade only about $1000 USD, the knot is a different story, it appears to be a court/diplomatics tassel and wasn't made to go on a Gernerals Grade Kyu gunto.

 

theses tassels, is one of those things, could sell tomorrow tomorrow or it could be a year, findind some one who wants one is the key, they don't pop up oftern so prob about the 400-600 USD mark.

 

any one care to disscuss this ?


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#22 Johnny Barracuda

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Posted 26 August 2015 - 07:14 PM

If it is full size and not parade, I know I would be interested in the sword! A full-size general grade kyu gunto is rare indeed.

 

As for the sword knot, it was a rather common design during the second half of the 19th century: it could be Japanese (diplomatic as Hamish stated), German, or even from the American Civil War! However, Japanese diplomatic swords are not that popular and most ofter sold with their own knot. So I would value the said knot around $300 to $400.


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Posted 28 August 2015 - 06:50 AM

Thanks for the information Thibault.  Cheers, Bob


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Posted 28 August 2015 - 04:12 PM

Do you have other pictures of your kyu gunto? They look pretty interesting.


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Posted 01 September 2015 - 02:54 PM

I will try to get some together, but it will have to wait a few weeks as I am leaving town for a couple of weeks.  Cheers, Bob


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