Ken-Hawaii Posted August 5, 2014 Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 I would greatly appreciate knowing which group created this kantei paper & how it is translated. The left side seems to read Boku Toshioto, which doesn't make much sense. I know I've seen a similar origami before, but can't find it in my notes. Thanks! Ken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ask Posted August 6, 2014 Report Share Posted August 6, 2014 The 2 large kanji on the right read munechika,who was heian jidai. Im struggling with the rest though sorry. I know you have a translation for the left but if it's not a sword and your open to variation,it could be 小札-こざね which is a small armour platelet. I'm sure Moriyama san or some of the others will help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guido Posted August 6, 2014 Report Share Posted August 6, 2014 小札 = ko-fuda = appraisal certificate for swords of a value of less than 5 mai; at least that's what the Honami family did, but this paper seems to be issued buy someone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John A Stuart Posted August 6, 2014 Report Share Posted August 6, 2014 I have an origami by Honami Koho for a Kanesada wakizashi that is similar. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted August 6, 2014 Report Share Posted August 6, 2014 Other parts on the paper: 薫秋 - Kunshu - (Appraiser?) 時代 建武 - Era: Kemmu (1334-1336) 長サ 貳尺弐寸有之 - Length: 2-shaku, 2-sun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugyotsuji Posted August 6, 2014 Report Share Posted August 6, 2014 Moriyama San, is that Mune 宗 or Ie 家 chika? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted August 6, 2014 Report Share Posted August 6, 2014 I think it's Munechika - 宗近. There was one in Iga around Kemmu era. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ask Posted August 6, 2014 Report Share Posted August 6, 2014 Munechika, the maker of this tachi blade, lived in the mid-Heian period (794-1185) and is famous as an expert craftsman active when Japanese sword-making techniques were first being established. He is reputed to have lived on Sanjô Avenue in Kyoto during the Eien era (987-989), and is thus known as Sanjô Munechika. He used two signatures, signing his works either Sanjô or Munechika. Clearly the above info states "Blade" and this thread is on a PAPER,so we are talking about the name Munechika as already stated before. If you go a search you will also find more on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guido Posted August 6, 2014 Report Share Posted August 6, 2014 Munechika, the maker of this tachi blade, lived in the mid-Heian period (794-1185) ...If he's indeed the maker of this blade, he forged it posthumous during the Kamakura period ... :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugyotsuji Posted August 6, 2014 Report Share Posted August 6, 2014 Thank you, Moriyama San and John. Found a good page here: http://moji.tekkai.com/zoom/%E5%AE%97/page.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ask Posted August 7, 2014 Report Share Posted August 7, 2014 Guido wrote:- If he's indeed the maker of this blade, he forged it posthumous during the Kamakura period ... My post was a copy and paste of the top answer to a munechika search obviously not connected to this paper,used purely for the name. Do a search and see for yourself. Something's never change Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ask Posted August 7, 2014 Report Share Posted August 7, 2014 Crazy? Because I never appreciated your humour at my expense and tried to explain the already obvious meaning of my post I'm crazy? That's just rude and another example of poor etiquette on the board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken-Hawaii Posted August 7, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 7, 2014 All right, let's get back on post if you don't mind. Guido, do you know what TYPE of origami these papers are, or which organization issued them? That's really what I'm trying to understand. Ken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ask Posted August 7, 2014 Report Share Posted August 7, 2014 Sorry Ken,sincerest apologies. When I posted first to your thread I was trying to help with the name but my post was totally misunderstood or was it? Then I was insulted and I wouldn't take that off the board so I'm not having it on it,it happens often on the board in different ways. Again sorry and I hope you find the information your after. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted August 7, 2014 Report Share Posted August 7, 2014 John, The confusion came in when you wrote "Munechika, the maker of this tachi blade, lived in the mid-Heian period (794-1185) and is famous as an expert craftsman active when Japanese sword-making techniques were first being established." when actually, it has nothing to do with this sword besides a common unrelated name. Even I was confused as to whether this origami is supposed to be for some tachi by the famous Munechika, when it is not. Just need to make that a bit clearer, that the writing was a copy/paste and not commentary. Let's just call it a misunderstanding and leave it at that. Brian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken-Hawaii Posted August 7, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 7, 2014 No problem, John. Sometimes we all need to have a thick skin on the board. But Guido wasn't really making fun of you, I'm fairly sure; he's actually quite a kind & helpful soul. We have two hurricanes bearing down on our little islands (http://weather.unisys.com/satellite/sat_vis.php?image=enh&inv=0&t=l12®ion=we), & I'm almost done preparing the house for the high winds & rain we expect by tomorrow afternoon, so I'm heading upstairs for a good night's sleep - it may be my last one for awhile.... Ken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John A Stuart Posted August 7, 2014 Report Share Posted August 7, 2014 Take care Ken. We've had rain and high winds 60km/hr quite often this summer. It has been between 5 and 10C last couple of weeks. It has to be one of the wettest coldest summers for a long time. As to the symbol used, it can be taken a lot of ways and knowing Guido casually would be in the most benign fashion eh? John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thierry BERNARD Posted August 7, 2014 Report Share Posted August 7, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ask Posted August 7, 2014 Report Share Posted August 7, 2014 No problem Brian,thanks. Ken take care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guido Posted August 7, 2014 Report Share Posted August 7, 2014 Exactly what Brian said. It's quite helpful to mark a quote as a quote, stating the source, and pointing out it's unrelated to the sword being discussed - there was nothing "obvious" about it, and furthermore I'm not a mind-reader. But I guess it's more fun huffing and puffing about an imagined insult. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guido Posted August 7, 2014 Report Share Posted August 7, 2014 Guido, do you know what TYPE of origami these papers are, or which organization issued them?As Moriyama-san pointed out, the appraiser seems to be an individual named 薫秋. I've never heard about him before, or if he belongs to any organization. Sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirkO Posted August 7, 2014 Report Share Posted August 7, 2014 Could this be a kanteisho by polisher Sugimoto Shigeaki (杉本薫秋) who studied under Honami Tenrai (天籟)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ask Posted August 7, 2014 Report Share Posted August 7, 2014 I already put this to bed as you will see if you read my posts, also if you read any of my other posts you will see I don't know my way around a computer. But if you look at my posts is obvious I never wrote that piece,I'm totally a novice. Now to the huffing and puffing of an imagined insult, if we were all stood together and you said something and I started the make your crazy gesture what would you think or how would you feel? If you have anything to add pm me,I think it's rude to do this on kens thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k morita Posted August 8, 2014 Report Share Posted August 8, 2014 Could this be a kanteisho by polisher Sugimoto Shigeaki (杉本薫秋) who studied under Honami Tenrai (天籟)? :D You are great! Yes,Sugimoto Shigeaki/Kunshu His name appears in Markus's book [The Honami Family] on page 81. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken-Hawaii Posted August 8, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 8, 2014 Okay, that's great! Just in time for me to shut down my computer as the first hurricane starts arriving. I'll check out Markus' book to learn a little more about the togishi. Thanks to all! Ken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirkO Posted August 8, 2014 Report Share Posted August 8, 2014 :D You are great! Yes,Sugimoto Shigeaki/Kunshu His name appears in Markus's book [The Honami Family] on page 81. Morita-san, it was a team effort, because without your kanji, I never would've found it. It looked like a fuda, so I suspected a Hon'ami link and checked Markus' book Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted August 8, 2014 Report Share Posted August 8, 2014 Well done Dirk, Morita san and Moriyama san! Brian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guido Posted August 8, 2014 Report Share Posted August 8, 2014 Well, it actually was Koichi who came up with the translation/reading of the appraiser's name ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirkO Posted August 8, 2014 Report Share Posted August 8, 2014 Well, it actually was Koichi who came up with the translation/reading of the appraiser's name ... Whoops, mixed up our 2 top translators - sry Koichi-san! All credit to you reading the name and coming up with kanji Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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