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#1 DaveM4P99

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Posted 05 February 2013 - 04:45 PM

Hi everyone. A friend sent me photos of a blade he bought a while ago from auction...

Not sure, since I am no expert...but looking at the photos, the shape of the nakago looks way off (mishapen in some parts), there is no mei, the nakago looks as though it was cleaned at some point, since there are no file marks...The hamon looks decent, as does the shape of the blade...There is also a serial number on the habaki...not sure what that means. Weren't gunto swords serialized on the blade itself? Thinking fake...

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#2 cabowen

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Posted 05 February 2013 - 04:48 PM

Maybe one of those Chinese copies....blade is extremely crude. I would call it junk, but to another, it may be treasure.
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#3 DaveM4P99

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Posted 05 February 2013 - 05:08 PM

I am also thinking the hamon looks a little too "crisp." The hamon is a little too defined and neat, no? Could this be a sign of acid etching of some kind?

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Posted 05 February 2013 - 05:33 PM

Chinese.. Typical tsuka ito and crude fittings, then you have the blade :shock:

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Posted 05 February 2013 - 08:27 PM

No doubt in my mind. Chinese fake.

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Posted 05 February 2013 - 09:12 PM

100 % fake.
The ashi is always mounted to far from the koiguchi.
Ito is wrapped wrong and ugly.
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Posted 05 February 2013 - 09:25 PM

Even as a novice it seems clear to me that a genuine blade would atleast have a shingo that lines up between the nagasa and the nakago. Also the fact that the discoloration is not uniform across the whole depth of the mihaba is also suspect. What I mean is, why would the hamon have aged at a different rate than the ha?
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Posted 05 February 2013 - 10:02 PM

I think I read somewhere on this forum that serial number on the habaki = chinese fake.
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 07:15 PM

I think I read somewhere on this forum that serial number on the habaki = chinese fake.

True. It is one of the dead give-aways. No absolutes in this hobby...but when you see that, combined with the other indicators, it confirms it.

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#10 DaveM4P99

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 10:27 PM

OK I am going to have a few more of these type of posts coming up in the next few days / weeks / months...I belong to a HUGE website called ar15.com and there are a LOT of WWII collectors on it...many of whom have fathers and grandfathers who passed down swords...So more to come...

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 12:14 AM

Curiously when looking at the nakago it looks like plated with the plating peeling away

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 01:49 AM

This is scale from very recent forging/heat application. I have never seen that on a genuine Japanese blade.
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Posted 07 February 2013 - 02:06 AM

Sorry mate but have to agrre with all, this is a duffer{English term}

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 01:34 PM

We have a few ARFcom'ers here, and a few of us are ARFcom'ers too.
Seems Nihonto is easier to source right now in the US than black rifles anyways :D

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#15 DaveM4P99

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 08:22 PM

We have a few ARFcom'ers here, and a few of us are ARFcom'ers too.
Seems Nihonto is easier to source right now in the US than black rifles anyways :D

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 08:26 PM

A duffer from a hawker.

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