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Just trying to be the interpreter here, but not working so I’m out.

There is no certifying body shown in the photo, Yves. And how far do you want the translation, e.g. all the words into English?

You know what they say when you assume; you make an ass out of you and me!

Well I read your comment the same way as Franco, that you were questioning its legitimacy, as if you knew something or had heard something. That’s why he asked what you were getting at, what your comment was supposed to mean.

Ok, bit confusing these era's. I would take it that the first one third of Edo era would be somewhere between 1603 and 1700. I like this armor and it seems to be in quite good condition + a good kabuto and finish which seems to have belonged to a higher ranking samurai. Never heard of the certifying body. Is it any good? Thanks for your help.

OH NO... i'm not suggesting anything, i'm simply asking.

Hello Jacques, Many thanks for pointing out the detail to look on the nakago. I need to double check on the blade itself. the nakago is rusty and I wonder if some strokes are not hiden by the rust. I appology for the poor quality of my photos, not helped with the cloudy weather. I check and come back to you. Thanks

Well ... I can see some small differences, but we need to keep in mind it is not that they were curving these Mei with laser+computer. Also, there are live examples where you could see such slight differences in Mei on two 'papered' blades, so... I'm not talking about this specific smith, but in general. Anyway, Sebastien, you will probably end up with suggestions to send the sword for Shinsa, which is reasonable.

Not getting much thanks for answering you, Yves, but here goes just once more. You have not included the name of the organization in your photo, so we are left to guess.

So Jim, you suggest it could be a fake?

Side note discussion... is there a way to distinguish the age of saya by its features? For instance, I notice that in this picture... the little white circular bit around the mekugi; on some others I notice nothing. Is there a distinction of age in this or just build style?

Exactly; lets not forget we are dealing with an organic material.

“Edo Jidai, Zenki” means the first part of the Edo Period. (First 1/3rd) Maybe 1600s. Actually I think that description is quite full. *If it had said “Edo Shoki” then that would have been the very beginning of Edo.

Another one with the same date

Franco according to webster: ': not artificial, fraudulent, or illusory : genuine.'

Sébastien That's because you're not looking at the right things - the devil is in the details.

That looks rather limited. Not even early, mid or late Edo?

Would like to know if this certificate has any real value? Don't know the organization in question. Thanks.

Here are the oshigata I have in Nihonto Zuikan (not in sosho style). To support my opinion, when I look at these oshigata and compare, I see that Sukehiro did suguha. The yasurime, nakago jiri, place of the mei on the nakago, the style of the mei style and kanji itselves matches. Howerver, when it come to big names like Tadayoshi or others, we need to be cautious. That's why any opinions are welcome.

For me the fundamental point concerns the character Tsuda 津 (Name of his family) that he will add when changing style, before his signature in kakudome only reports Echizen (no) Kami Sukehiro. But I will be happy to be proven wrong if someone reports a certified example . Giordy

Thanks for the information Jean, and yes I did mean yoroi doshi. Will measure this tsuba when it arrives and see what fits as I have a few tanto with motokasane from 6 mm to 9 mm. cheers

I didn't know he changed Mei style, my bad and thank you for the lesson. Sebastien, for me Mei also looks legit, but I had same challenge with my Tadayoshi (one of mine topics) where most of comments stated Gimei.

Thanks for the info. I haven't seen many concave tsuba, so it's good to know that they are out there.

Hello, Thanks for your replies. Indeed it was his early work, when it didn't write in sosho style yet. The blade is in suguha I will post photos of the oshigata I have. Jacques, for me your oshigata matchs the mei of my nakago, and also yasurime and nakago jiri.

Fuzzy, but an interesting shot of 礼射 ‘Reisha’ at our third event this year, up at Susai Castle on 14 April 2024.