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mariuszk
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 Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 3:15 pm Post subject: Nagamaki naoshi - comments? |
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Dear All,
I have noticed that there are some naginata/nagamaki fans here. I have a piece which looks like a nagamaki naoshi to me (judging by the boshi the kissaki has not been altered).
Sorry, I don't have the measurements at hand (I'll post them later if this topic attracts any attention), but both motohaba and sakihaba as well as motogasane and sakigasane are very robust (to say the least). The sword is broad, thick and subsequently quite heavy - something you cannot see in my poor pictures. The nakago has been shortened a couple of times, I'll post pics of it if needed. Here is what I have:
http://web.mac.com/mariuszk/Site/nagamaki.html
Now, what do you think of it? Thank you for your comments 
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remzy
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I dont know if thats just me but i cannot see any pictures on this website and im on a mac. 
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mariuszk
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| remzy wrote: | | I dont know if thats just me but i cannot see any pictures on this website and im on a mac. |
Hi remzy,
that is rather strange... I can see all pics and I am in Poland while the server is in the US. It should work better from Quebec.
Anyway, some pics for those who don't like image hosting sites
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remzy
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Ooooh i love the hada, very nice patern... and you are right, the sugata seem robust.. if not, bold!
Can you post the naginata and the ken too, pretty please? 
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Sorry, that was to be used in another thread...
Thanks to Jacques for helping with mei, BTW
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hi,
The mei reads: Sesshu Ikutama sho Inoue Tadashige.
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| Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 11:20 am Post subject: |
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Mariusz,
No, I do not think your blade is naginata naoshi. Firstly because it has kaeri. Because most naginata were more curved towards the kissaki than swords, they needed to flattened by grinding metal away from the back edge during conversion. This removed the original kaeri leaving the blade without any. Also your blade has a yokote, naginata do not.
A very nice blade however.
Ian Bottomley
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| Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 11:43 am Post subject: |
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Hi,
Perhaps i'm wrong but is seems to me that only nagamaki can be reshaped
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| Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 12:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Jacques D. wrote: |
Perhaps i'm wrong but is seems to me that only nagamaki can be reshaped |
Well, some tomoe naginata (those with a deep saki-zori) would be hard to reshape, if this is what you mean.
Otherwise, both nagamaki and naginata could be reshaped into a katana or wakizashi as until the Edo period both used to have rather long nagasa. BTW, I don't think we want to start a discussion about the differences between nagamaki and naginata here. Both were polearms, that should suffice.
My "nagamaki naoshi" seems simply too broad and too thick to have been born a daito or wakizashi. It is heavier than a long katana. It simply must have been a pole-arm and since its boshi is not yakitsume but has a kaeri (which is sign that kissaki has not been reshaped) it is probably due to the ralatively shallow zori which did not require any alteration of the kissaki.
As a wakizashi the piece is clumsy, you have the impression that you could use it as a cleaver.
BTW, I have read somewhere that a nagamaki could have a yokote, while a naginata wouldn't.
In other words: this looks like a nagamaki naoshi with the kissaki unaltered.
Question: what jidai, what tradition?
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I really don't know, but could it be the remains of long lost Benkei's naginata  ?
Not enough data, very sound blade. Guess : either a shinshinto utsushi or a Nambokucho suriage blade, if it is the case, a wild guess, probably from a School influenced by Yamato
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| Jean wrote: |
Not enough data, very sound blade. Guess : either a shinshinto utsushi or a Nambokucho suriage blade, if it is the case, a wild guess, probably from a School influenced by Yamato |
Thank you However, this sword is o-suriage, it has two meugi ana, one right at the nakago jiri. I will post its measurements this evening, maybe this will shed some light?
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I have some measurements of this nagamaki naoshi:
Nagasa: 41 cm
Motohaba: 3.6 cm
Sakihaba: 3.4 cm
Motogasane: 0.6 cm
Sakigasane: 0.5
I am not sure if I measure the kasane correctly - the thickness refers to the mune only.
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| mariuszk wrote: |
it has two meugi ana, one right at the nakago jiri. |
Hi Mariuszk.
How looks like the half mekugiana on the nakagojiri ?
Punched, drilled or filed ?
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| Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 6:47 pm Post subject: I think a polearm for sure |
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Hiya,
I feel that your great looking sword was once a polearm. The kissiki was reshaped when the whole thing was reshaped into a wak. It looks like someone did a fine job at it as well. likely reshaped in late period.
Great looking.
Mark G
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Here is the picture of the remains of the mekugi ana in the nakago-jiri. Looks like punched to me?
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