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Jacques D. Jo Jo Saku
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Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 3:16 pm Post subject: Gassan Sadakatzu |
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Hi,
Look at this
It seems to me that Gassan Sadakatsu died in 1943.
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huntershooter Jo Saku
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Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 4:16 pm Post subject: |
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Jacques; Guess I fail to see the problem. Blade is alegedly dated Nov. 1943. Please enlighten me with the issue.
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Brian Site Admin

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Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 7:29 pm Post subject: |
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He appears to have passed away on December 24th, 1943 at the age of 74. Some pages say 1942, but this later date seems the most accurate.
If so, then this might be one of the last blades he forged. I don't see any reason for this to be anything less than represented?
http://moderntosho.com/biographies/SadakatsuGassanBio.html
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IanB Jo Saku
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Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 8:58 pm Post subject: |
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Jaques,
The Royal Armouries Museum in Leeds has a blade by Sadakatsu dated 193? (memory going here) to honour the birth of the Crown Prince. The details are exactly like the sword you refer too.
Ian Bottomley
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Jacques D. Jo Jo Saku
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Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 9:54 pm Post subject: |
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Hi,
Just a month before passing away i just find that a little strange. but why not?
Also, according the "Gassan Tradition" book, suguha hamon does not match with itame hada, we should find ayasugi.
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Bob M. Chu Jo Saku

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Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 11:14 pm Post subject: |
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Hi Jacques,
A large number of Sadakatsu swords were produced without Ayasugi hada and whilst this in no way makes them inferior to swords showing the renowned 'Gassan Pattern' , the fact is that most collectors will pay a higher price for blades featuring ayasugi.
From what I have seen of this blade , it looks fine ,if a bit over-priced for the current market . A figure of around $8000.00 would be more realistic - a sword showing good Ayasugi could be +50% or more depending on papers etc.
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Jacques D. Jo Jo Saku
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Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 11:42 pm Post subject: |
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Hi,
I know that, but Sadakatsu worked essentially for the imperial family and the imperial house ministry. I think that these blades were preciously conserved by the owner's families.
Concerning his work, he worked in Bizen style and Soshu one with their respective features
Ayasugi hada + suguha hamon is the "trade" mark of the Gassan tradition, there is an exception with a blade from Gassan Sadayoshi which was in the Yamato Hosho style (dated from 1867); these blade was done in masame hada with the suguha hamon.
Also i really find strange to see a Gassan Sadakastu on E-bay I've only one exemple to check the mei it is not sufficient.
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bdgrange Jo Saku
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Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 6:41 am Post subject: |
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For what it is worth. I have owned three Gassan Sadakatsu katana.
He was capable of working in all styles, I am told. None of mine were done with Ayasugi hada, although that is much desired. He produced blades with the Minatogawa mon and included patriotic kanji on the blade as well. Mine read "felial piety". Or honor your family. These were offered and sold through a major department store in Tokyo before the beginning of WW2, or the greater Pacific War. This made them available to the general public for reasonable price and to be patriotic. They were dated
1933.
The last I owned was done Soshu style and very beautifull. I had it restored in Japan and sold it at the S.F. Taikai in 2005 for $15,000.00
I had invested that much of my own money in it but could not
refuse the cash offer. I do miss it.
bdgrange
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bdgrange Jo Saku
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Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 6:42 am Post subject: |
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The one on e bay looks very nice and is probably worth the beginning
offer of 10k but I think they expect more.
bdgrange
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Stephen Oyabun

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Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 12:30 pm Post subject: two Sadakatsu mei |
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Jacques D. Jo Jo Saku
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Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 3:06 pm Post subject: |
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Hi,
Thanks Stephen (the tanto is from Sadakazu)
this blade seems gimei. Note the yasurime which are not well done (specially kesho), note the difference in the way of handling and applying the tagane.
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Nobody Kenkaku

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Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 4:01 pm Post subject: Re: Gassan Sadakatzu |
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| Jacques D. wrote: | Look at this
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The description on the page says that the Sadakatsu tachi is located in Japan.
The same Sadakatsu tachi appears on bidders auction in Japan. They say that the tachi is located outside of Japan and import process is necessary. That is strange.
http://www.bidders.co.jp/dap/s....._item_open
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Bugyotsuji Sai Jo Saku

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Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 4:39 pm Post subject: |
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"This is a consignment from a Japanese dealer, and he does not accept returns. Therefore the sale is final."
Stranger still...
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Stephen Oyabun

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Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 5:12 pm Post subject: Remember |
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that was from a Sadakatsu i had on file...its not to say its shoshin for sure.
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Jacques D. Jo Jo Saku
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Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 5:32 pm Post subject: |
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hi,
Don't worry Stephen "your's" is shoshin Ive found one on Darcy's site you can compare.
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